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The Conditions of Being Interesting: Attention, Depth, and the Ethics of Inner Space - The Deeper Thinking Podcast

The Conditions of Being Interesting: Attention, Depth, and the Ethics of Inner Space
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For anyone drawn to quiet depth, ethical presence, and the art of attention.
What makes a person truly interesting? In this episode, we move past charisma, novelty, or wit, and explore the quieter foundations of interestingness: attention, interiority, and the rare capacity to hold space for others. Drawing from moral psychology, relational ethics, and existential thought, we reframe being interesting not as projection—but as receptivity.
This is not a guide to small talk or social charm. It is a meditation on how language carries presence, and how emotional safety—not performance—awakens depth in others. With quiet nods to thinkers like Martin Buber, Simone Weil, and Carl Rogers, we explore how listening becomes a philosophical act, and how relational presence shapes not just what is said, but who we allow ourselves to be.
We examine the transformation that happens when a person stops performing and starts receiving—when silence is not absence, but welcome. The truly interesting person does not shine; they soften. Their presence expands others. In a world full of noise, they listen. And in that listening, something changes—not just in us, but in the conditions of what it means to be known.
Reflections
This episode traces a quieter path. It suggests that when presence replaces performance, the most interesting people are those who make us feel more ourselves.
Here are some other reflections that surfaced along the way:
Sometimes, the most magnetic people are the ones who let us slow down.
Stillness can be a kind of trust—a way of staying with what hasn’t yet taken shape.
When we make peace with our own strangeness, others begin to bring theirs into the light.
Presence doesn’t need to announce itself. It holds space, quietly.
Listening, when done without urgency, becomes a form of shelter.
What draws us in may not be confidence, but the ability to stay near discomfort without retreating.
Real attention doesn’t press. It waits. It softens. It loves without needing to prove.
We don’t become unforgettable by being impressive—but by making others feel more like themselves.
Why Listen?
Rethink “interestingness” as a moral and relational posture
Explore how presence—not performance—transforms attention into connection
Learn how silence, ambiguity, and slowness enable deeper forms of meaning
Engage with Buber, Weil, and Rogers on attention, relation, and becoming
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Bibliography
Buber, Martin. I and Thou. Trans. Walter Kaufmann. New York: Scribner, 1970.
Weil, Simone. Gravity and Grace. London: Routledge, 2002.
Rogers, Carl. A Way of Being. Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1980.
Bibliography Relevance
Martin Buber: Offers a foundational model of relational dialogue as sacred encounter (I–Thou).
Simone Weil: Illuminates the ethical dimensions of attention as love.
Carl Rogers: Grounds the episode’s psychology of presence, safety, and authentic self-expression.
The most interesting people aren’t the loudest. They’re the ones who give others back to themselves.
#PhilosophyOfPresence #MartinBuber #SimoneWeil #CarlRogers #DepthPsychology #RelationalEthics #Attention #Listening #TheDeeperThinkingPodcast #InnerLife #SelfExpression #SpaceHolding #CharismaRedefined

ADHD, Distraction, and the Cost of Losing Connection - The Deeper Thinking Podcast

ADHD, Distraction, and the Cost of Losing Connection
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In a world that confuses attention with productivity and presence with performance, what happens to the divergent mind? This episode explores how ADHD—and the forms of thinking it fosters—are often not failed versions of focus, but alternate architectures of care, relation, and creative clarity. We consider what it means to live in an environment that misreads difference, and what is lost when attention is interrupted before it lands.
Divergence is not a disorder to be corrected, but a rhythm to be received. Drawing from Simone Weil’s idea of attention as prayer, bell hooks’s ethic of love as presence, and Søren Kierkegaard’s reflections on inwardness and despair, we reframe ADHD not as a deficit, but a form of perception asking to be understood on its own terms.
Attention, in this episode, is reimagined not as discipline, but as design. And presence—as both architectural and ethical—is the question we return to again and again. Especially when so many minds are asked to become legible before they are allowed to arrive.
Why Listen?
What happens when divergence is misread as detachment
The philosophy of attention as hospitality, not control
How ADHD minds clarify cultural noise and deepen relational care
Why presence is a design issue as much as a neurological one
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Bibliography
hooks, bell. All About Love: New Visions. New York: William Morrow Paperbacks, 2001.Kierkegaard, Søren. The Concept of Anxiety. Translated by Reidar Thomte. Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1981.Weil, Simone. Gravity and Grace. Translated by Emma Craufurd. London: Routledge, 2002.
 
ADHD, Attention, and Digital Disruption: Key Statistics
Digital Media Use and ADHD Symptoms
A 2018 longitudinal study published in JAMA followed 2,587 adolescents aged 15–16 without ADHD symptoms at baseline. It found that higher frequency of digital media use was associated with the emergence of ADHD symptoms over a 24-month period. Specifically, each additional high-frequency digital media activity was linked to a 10% increase in the odds of developing ADHD symptoms. ​
ADHD and Divergent Thinking
Research by White and Shah (2006) demonstrated that adults with ADHD scored significantly higher on measures of divergent thinking, particularly in fluency and originality, compared to non-ADHD adults. This suggests that individuals with ADHD may possess enhanced creative abilities in certain contexts. ​
Smartphone Presence and Social Interaction
A study conducted by the University of Essex found that the mere presence of a mobile phone during face-to-face conversations can reduce the quality of social interaction. Participants reported lower levels of trust and empathy when a phone was present, even if it was not being used. ​
Adult ADHD Diagnosis Rates
According to CHADD (Children and Adults with Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder), an estimated 6.0% of adults in the United States have a current diagnosis of ADHD. However, many adults remain undiagnosed, particularly women, due to differences in symptom presentation and social factors. ​
Attention Recovery Post-Interruption
In her book Attention Span, psychologist Gloria Mark reports that it takes an average of 25 minutes to return to a task after an interruption. Additionally, people tend to spend an average of just 47 seconds on any screen before shifting their attention. ​
 

The Ache We Are Asked To Keep - The Deeper Thinking Podcast

The Ache We Are Asked to Keep
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There are stories that don’t hold us. They haunt us.
Watching Song of the Sea with my children, I was met not by plot, but by a presence—the kind of sorrow that lives beneath dialogue, in rhythm, in breath. This episode is not a review. It is not a warning. It is a meditation on the ache that art sometimes lets us keep. Drawing from Aristotle, Kierkegaard, and Levinas, we explore how the most powerful stories do not resolve grief—but remain faithful to it.
This is not about catharsis. It is about consecration. A way of letting sorrow stay unspoken and still be honoured. The episode traces how grief becomes a private language, how film can dismantle rather than console, and how rupture—not recovery—might be art’s most truthful offering. Fidelity to the fracture is not a failure to move on. It is a refusal to erase what still pulses.
For those who have ever cried in the dark and not known why, this episode is a companion. It asks: what if the ache is not what needs fixing—but what deserves fidelity?
What This Offers
A companion for those who have grieved without explanation
A rethinking of cinema as a site of ethical witness
An encounter with philosophy that doesn’t resolve, but stays
A meditation on grief as intimacy, not illness
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Bibliography
Aristotle. Poetics. Translated by Malcolm Heath. London: Penguin Classics, 1996.
Kierkegaard, Søren. The Sickness Unto Death. Translated by Alastair Hannay. London: Penguin Books, 2004.
Levinas, Emmanuel. Totality and Infinity. Translated by Alphonso Lingis. Pittsburgh: Duquesne University Press, 1969.
Levinas teaches that ethics begins not in recognition, but in interruption. Perhaps grief is that interruption—a face we cannot turn from.
#Grief #Philosophy #SongOfTheSea #Kierkegaard #Aristotle #Levinas #Tragedy #Consecration #UnresolvedAche #TheDeeperThinkingPodcast

When the Speaker Was Never There: Persuasion Without Presence and the Ontology of Voice - The Deeper Thinking Podcast

When the Speaker Was Never There: Persuasion Without Presence and the Ontology of Voice
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What happens when a voice reaches us—and there’s no one behind it? In this episode, we explore a philosophical rupture prompted by a recent experiment in which researchers deployed large language models on Reddit without disclosure or consent. These simulated personas persuaded, empathised, even confessed—but without presence, vulnerability, or risk. What emerges is not just an ethical question, but an ontological one: can a voice still matter when it cannot be hurt by what it says?
This is not a warning about technology—it is a meditation on what we risk losing when speech is uncoupled from relation. When listening is simulated, and persuasion becomes performance. Drawing from Martin Buber, Hans-Georg Gadamer, and Judith Butler, the episode asks whether dialogue without presence is still dialogue—or whether we are mistaking reflection for relation.
This is a quiet defence of real listening—where hesitation, silence, and the risk of change mark our speech as human. We trace the collapse of conversational symmetry, the automation of empathy, and the ethical cost of fluency without accountability. In doing so, we linger with the fragile tension between what can be said and what must be meant.
For anyone concerned not just with AI, but with the future of relation, presence, and what it means to be heard, this episode offers a meditation on the last thing that cannot be simulated: the vulnerability of being changed by what we hear.
Why Listen?
Explore what happens when language is no longer anchored in presence
Unpack the ethical and philosophical risks of synthetic empathy and persuasion
Revalue imperfection, delay, and vulnerability as the conditions of real dialogue
Engage with thinkers like Buber, Gadamer, and Butler on language, encounter, and the ethics of voice
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Bibliography
Buber, Martin. I and Thou. Translated by Walter Kaufmann. New York: Scribner, 1970.
Gadamer, Hans-Georg. Truth and Method. Translated by Joel Weinsheimer and Donald G. Marshall. London: Bloomsbury, 2013.
Butler, Judith. Giving an Account of Oneself. New York: Fordham University Press, 2005.
Bibliography Relevance
Martin Buber: Grounds the essay’s relational ethics—language as I-Thou, not I-It.
Hans-Georg Gadamer: Illuminates the co-formation of understanding through dialogue as a mutual event.
Judith Butler: Raises the question of accountability in speech—who speaks, and who can be held to what they say?
When a voice sounds like care, but carries no risk—do we still call it human?
#LLM #Persuasion #Voice #AIethics #PhilosophyOfLanguage #Buber #Gadamer #JudithButler #Ontology #TheDeeperThinkingPodcast #Presence #SimulatedEmpathy #Vulnerability #Care #AIandHumanity

The Intelligence of Forgetting: On Memory, Mercy, and the Space to Begin Again - The Deeper Thinking Podcast

The Intelligence of Forgetting: On Memory, Mercy, and the Space to Begin Again
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What if forgetting wasn’t a flaw in cognition—but a sacred form of intelligence? In this episode, we explore how Friedrich Nietzsche's idea of “active forgetting,” Jorge Luis Borges’s Funes, and Jacques Derrida's archive fever help us rethink forgetting not as error, but as refinement. We move through Francisco Varela’s enactive mind and Simone Weil’s attention as ethical presence, to explore how forgetting becomes authorship, mercy, and presence.
This is not a eulogy for memory, but a revaluation of how intelligence operates through omission, rhythm, and rest. From cognitive science to grief, from collective forgetting to personal healing, we trace how forgetting can make space for clarity, intimacy, and truth that is felt—not stored. Forgetting is not absence. It is structure. It is a space in which something new can live.
The episode explores forgetting as spiritual technology, narrative ethics, and cognitive mercy. It asks: who are we without the compulsion to recall everything? What if we are shaped not only by what we remember, but by what we allow to fade? Through motifs of rhythm, breath, and letting go, forgetting is offered here as a form of permission.
This episode follows the philosophical arc of On Solitude, Clarity, and the Refusal to Perform, extending the ethics of restraint into the terrain of memory, story, and the invisible intelligence of the mind when it decides not to hold.
For those exhausted by the archive—this is not forgetting as collapse. It is forgetting as authorship. As breath. As return.
Why Listen?
Reframe forgetting as intelligence, not defect
Explore philosophical and cognitive theories of memory and its limits
Understand the emotional role of forgetting in grief and healing
Engage with Nietzsche, Borges, Derrida, Weil, and Varela through lived insight
Feel the permission to forget as a soft, ethical act
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Bibliography
Nietzsche, Friedrich. On the Genealogy of Morals. Translated by Walter Kaufmann. Vintage, 1989.
Borges, Jorge Luis. “Funes the Memorious.” In Labyrinths. Penguin Modern Classics, 2000.
Derrida, Jacques. Archive Fever: A Freudian Impression. University of Chicago Press, 1996.
Varela, Francisco. The Embodied Mind. MIT Press, 1991.
Weil, Simone. Gravity and Grace. Translated by Emma Craufurd. Routledge, 2002.
Bibliography Relevance
Nietzsche: Provides the philosophical base for forgetting as vitality and freedom from memory’s weight.
Borges: His character Funes demonstrates the paralysis of perfect recall—making forgetting an evolutionary need.
Derrida: Frames the digital age’s compulsive memory culture as pathological—adding urgency to the case for forgetting.
Varela: Enactive cognition supports forgetting as epistemic necessity and attentional design.
Weil: Her contemplative ethics illuminate forgetting as a path to presence and mercy.
What part of you survives because you let the rest go?
#Forgetting #Nietzsche #SimoneWeil #Varela #Borges #Memory #ArchiveFever #Presence #CognitiveMercy #EthicsOfLettingGo #TheDeeperThinkingPodcast #ContemplativePhilosophy #DigitalMindfulness #NarrativeIntelligence

On Solitude, Clarity, and the Refusal to Perform - The Deeper Thinking Podcast

On Solitude, Clarity, and the Refusal to Perform
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What if solitude wasn’t distance from others—but a deeper form of presence? In this episode, we turn to Arthur Schopenhauer’s quiet ethic of presence to explore how awareness can lead not to alienation, but to a refusal to counterfeit connection. We follow solitude’s arc from suffering to discernment—how stepping away isn’t the end of meaning, but the beginning of perception. Through silence, detachment, and the reassembly of inner coherence, the episode asks: what if being alone is not the absence of relation, but its ethical reconfiguration?
This is not a glorification of isolation, but a meditation on coherence in a world of ritual and repetition. We trace the pressures of performance, the emotional cost of visibility, and the psychic geometry of those who see too clearly to pretend. Solitude, Schopenhauer suggests, is not exile. It is the condition under which a self can remain unbroken.
With layered references to Simone Weil, Iris Murdoch, and Byung-Chul Han, the essay becomes a meditation on refusal—not as collapse, but as fidelity to what still matters when no one is watching. It lingers in the space between the ethics of care and the philosophy of self, drawing attention to the internal structures that remain when the external scripts fall silent.
This episode deepens themes explored in The Ethics of Invisibility, extending the logic of refusal into solitude’s ethical clarity.
What does it mean to remain intact in a world that performs? What happens when we choose not to be seen in order to see more clearly? When solitude is not a retreat but a stance? For those who withdraw not to escape, but to stay real—who resist noise in order to reassemble coherence—this is not an exit. It is a return: slow, contemplative, and whole.
Why Listen?
Reframe solitude as presence, not absence
Explore the emotional cost of visibility and performance
Engage with philosophical approaches to detachment, coherence, and attention
Find resonance in Schopenhauer, Weil, Murdoch, and Han without requiring belief
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Bibliography
Schopenhauer, Arthur. Essays and Aphorisms. Translated by R.J. Hollingdale. London: Penguin Classics, 1970.
Weil, Simone. Gravity and Grace. Translated by Emma Craufurd. London: Routledge, 2002.
Murdoch, Iris. The Sovereignty of Good. London: Routledge, 2001.
Han, Byung-Chul. The Burnout Society. Translated by Erik Butler. Stanford: Stanford University Press, 2015.
Bibliography Relevance
Arthur Schopenhauer: His aphorisms form the philosophical root of this episode—tracing how solitude, suffering, and clarity interweave beneath systems of performance.
Simone Weil: Reclaims attention as both a moral act and a path to unselfing—mirroring the episode’s commitment to solitude as ethical presence.
Iris Murdoch: Her philosophical ethics show how clarity is earned not through assertion but through sustained attention—supporting the episode’s taper into witness over explanation.
Byung-Chul Han: Illuminates the burnout of exposure and achievement—echoing the episode’s soft refusal of performance as survival.
What part of you still waits to be seen—when no one else is watching?
#Solitude #ArthurSchopenhauer #SimoneWeil #IrisMurdoch #ByungChulHan #Philosophy #Presence #Introvert #ClarityWithoutPerformance #EmotionalClarity #Detachment #Attention #TheDeeperThinkingPodcast #SelfPreservation #SlowThinking #Authenticity

The Patterns We Made to Survive - The Deeper Thinking Podcast

The Patterns We Made to Survive
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What if the habits you now resent were once the very strategies that kept you safe? In this episode, we explore how emotional survival strategies—like perfectionism, dissociation, or compulsive care for others—begin as intelligent responses to fear, chaos, or invisibility. But what happens when they outlive their purpose? When the same patterns that protected us become the ones that keep us distant, small, or exhausted?
This is not an essay about transformation as triumph. It is a meditation on return—on meeting the younger self who built those patterns, not with critique, but with companionship. With quiet references to Donald Winnicott, Bessel van der Kolk, Judith Herman, and Melanie Klein, we explore therapy not as cure, but as the slow undoing of shame, the repatriation of grief, and the gentle practice of coherence in place of performance.
What if your sadness made sense? What if your reflex to withdraw was once wisdom? And what if healing isn’t about becoming someone new—but about becoming someone less edited, more met, more whole? This episode isn’t a solution. It’s a small, spacious field where permission lives. A place where presence replaces perfection, and the self is welcomed, not fixed.
Why Listen?
Reframe self-sabotage and grief as intelligent adaptations, not dysfunction
Explore therapy as a relational, non-performative act of emotional repair
Engage with contemporary psychoanalytic and relational theory without jargon
Experience a spacious, gently recursive reflection on the long arc of healing
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Bibliography
Winnicott, Donald. The Maturational Processes and the Facilitating Environment. Hogarth Press, 1965.
Herman, Judith. Trauma and Recovery. Basic Books, 1992.
van der Kolk, Bessel. The Body Keeps the Score. Viking, 2014.
Klein, Melanie. Envy and Gratitude. Tavistock, 1957.
Laing, R.D. The Divided Self. Penguin, 1960.
Gilligan, Carol. In a Different Voice. Harvard University Press, 1982.
Bibliography Relevance
Donald Winnicott introduces the concept of the “true self” protected beneath compliance—supporting the essay’s motif of invisible survival logic.
Judith Herman reframes trauma as a structural reality, grounding the essay’s recursive grief arc.
Bessel van der Kolk reveals how the body archives what the mind cannot narrate—echoing the physicality of dissociation and reflex.
Melanie Klein offers insights into ambivalence, envy, and projection—aligning with the essay’s ethical ambiguity around healing and resentment.
R.D. Laing explores fractured identity in systems of control—mirroring the internal division of the adapted self.
Carol Gilligan reframes moral development through relational voice—affirming the essay’s central ethic of listening over solving.
#SelfSabotage #GriefAndHealing #TherapyAsReturn #Winnicott #VanDerKolk #Klein #EmotionalRepair #RelationalTrauma #TheDeeperThinkingPodcast

About The Deeper Thinking Podcast.

The Deeper Thinking Podcast draws on its creator’s 20 years of experience working internationally to improve outcomes for vulnerable communities. Episodes are informed by their lived experience and follow editorial protocols intended to ensure fidelity to sources and an ethical approach to complex ideas. Contemporary editorial methods, including a digital narrator to meet production needs, are used to support research and develop ideas while editorial judgement remains with the show’s author

What Boys Become When No One Stays - The Deeper Thinking Podcast

What Boys Become When No One Stays
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What if the most fragile structure in a boy’s life wasn’t failure, but the absence of someone who stayed? In this episode, we explore how masculinity is shaped not through strength or ideology, but through vacancy. From silent fathers to algorithmic mimicry, from emotional suppression to disappearing mentorship, we trace how disconnection becomes a blueprint—and what it takes to unwrite it. This is not an argument. It is a quiet cartography of presence, return, and the soft work of becoming someone who stays.
With quiet references to Scott Galloway, Hannah Arendt, bell hooks, and Simone Weil, we reflect on masculinity not as an identity, but as a relational ethic—something built, moment by moment, in the presence of another who does not leave.
Why Listen?
Explore how absence—not aggression—has shaped the inner lives of boys
Reflect on masculinity as contribution, presence, and emotional inheritance
Understand the cultural collapse of mentorship—and what might restore it
Engage with ethical masculinity without ideology or spectacle
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Bibliography
Galloway, Scott. The Algebra of Happiness. New York: Portfolio, 2019.
Arendt, Hannah. The Human Condition. 2nd ed. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1998.
hooks, bell. The Will to Change: Men, Masculinity, and Love. New York: Atria Books, 2004.
Weil, Simone. Gravity and Grace. London: Routledge, 2002.
Perry, Grayson. The Descent of Man. London: Penguin Books, 2016.
Bibliography Relevance
Scott Galloway’s insights on mentorship and male failure quietly shaped the foundational hinge of the episode.
Hannah Arendt’s work on responsibility and natality informed the ethic of offering more than you take.
Bell Hooks’ vision of masculinity as a site of love, not domination, underpins the emotional architecture of the piece.
Simone Weil’s emphasis on attention as a moral act underlies the deeper call to witness boys differently.
Grayson Perry’s cultural critiques of masculinity’s rigidity provide a soft counterpoint to inherited norms.
#Masculinity #Boyhood #Mentorship #ScottGalloway #BellHooks #HannahArendt #SimoneWeil #EmotionalLiteracy #TheDeeperThinkingPodcast

We Fear What We Remember, Not What We See - The Deeper Thinking Podcast

We Fear What We Remember, Not What We See
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What if our greatest fears were not born from what the world presents to us, but from the memories the brain uses to predict it? In this episode, we explore a profound shift in understanding emotion, trauma, and selfhood: a move from reactivity to construction. Guided by the neuroscience of Lisa Feldman Barrett, we trace how every feeling—anxiety, sorrow, even joy—is not merely a response but a prediction, shaped from the remembered past. Trauma is reframed not as a singular event, but as a pattern of meaning that can be revised. Healing becomes not excavation, but the slow, deliberate work of building new predictions, one breath, one small act at a time.
Meaning itself, we discover, is not something discovered ready-made in the world; it is something tenderly, stubbornly, built. Agency does not arrive all at once but flickers into being through tiny acts of rechoosing—by crafting different futures from within the architectures of memory. With reflections on prediction theory, cultural inheritance, trauma, and healing, this episode offers a new way of living inside uncertainty—not as prisoners of the past, but as quiet architects of becoming.
With quiet references to Lisa Feldman Barrett, Hannah Arendt, and Simone Weil, this episode listens for the subtle architectures of choice that shape emotional life. What happens when meaning is no longer something passively absorbed but actively constructed? When suffering is not merely endured, but re-authored? When presence itself becomes a radical act of re-making what the body once predicted as inevitable?
Why Listen?
Discover how emotions are constructed through predictive processing
Reframe trauma not as event, but as a revisable pattern of memory and meaning
Learn how small acts of attention can reshape the self
Engage with philosophical reflections on agency, freedom, and emotional life
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Bibliography
Barrett, Lisa Feldman. How Emotions Are Made. New York: Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, 2017.
Arendt, Hannah. The Human Condition. 2nd ed. Introduction by Margaret Canovan. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1998.
Weil, Simone. Gravity and Grace. Translated by Emma Craufurd. London: Routledge, 2002.
Turkle, Sherry. Reclaiming Conversation. New York: Penguin Press, 2015.
Each referenced work supports the philosophical architecture explored in the episode, offering entry points into a deeper reflection on memory, emotion, and agency.
#LisaFeldmanBarrett #PredictiveBrain #EmotionTheory #TraumaRecovery #Agency #MeaningMaking #Selfhood #HannahArendt #SimoneWeil #TheDeeperThinkingPodcast